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This horse is buy Hollywood Cool Gun which was by Gunner (Colonels Smoking Gun). Gunner and Trashadeus had similar markings but were not related close up. They were also very different in their personality also. I've heard many stories from Bill Horn about when he was training Trashadeus. Gunner was trained by Clint Haverty who I also spend some time riding with. So far GG is riding like a typical Gunner. I'm looking forward to getting her in the show pen. Thank you for the interactions on my page. Great for good conversations.

Yes Leo did! LOL.

It is much harder with a lazy horse because you have to maintain forward and steering. You will have to develope the forward before you ask for much step over.

Thankyou Tim, interesting her walk isn’t her best gait and not enough forward.Will work on it!!

The walk is the hardest gait to develop. The saying is buy the walk and lope and build the trot.

She is far from bad breeding. This is good breeding that I am excited to have in my barn

Just because a horse is partially deaf doesn't mean it doesn't have mostly otherwise great qualities worth reproducing ... Say, some humans are short,or have some type of genetic joint issues, but otherwise have a lot of other really outstanding qualities , including great parenting, why would that human not procreate.... Apply this to any animal or breed ..minus the parenting, but obviously some animals are horrible parents too....anyway, every animal and every human has negative genetic traits, all, doesn't mean it's not an outstanding creature otherwise. If nobody or no animal reproduced because of a negative trait, everyone and everything would go extinct. . If it doesn't bother the horse, and it's not feral. It doesn't matter.

It's all about the MONEY, just like the IMPRESSIVE line of halter horses.

I see way more serious issues on mares thst are bred all the time. Death is not an issue to he horse.

Pattern are great.

Yes. I've done that once before but it was a long time ago.

It doesn't need to be much release for her feel it.

I don't see anybody training like Tim does .. so intuitive and firm when needed . Both are necessary for any animal training. ... I think his way is the absolute best.

Apples and oranges.

Apples and oranges aren’t deaf. It’s just irresponsible breeding. I’ve been alive long enough to see good bloodlines ruined and bad ones perpetuated. It’s sad really.😢

​@@timandersonhorsetrainingexactly. People always try to bring up something wrong ... Anything they can find that's unrelated to the point of the video....I have another channel, and this is a great response .. I'll use it on my triggered commenters who like to argue off topic things ❤

@@Channelinterrupted I had no intention of finding anything wrong with this particular horse, and love that Tim finds the good in every horse he trains, bringing out the best they can be. Tim brought up the issue of deafness in the Gunner line, and I simply felt saddened to learn of the trait. Long ago, I lost a lovely mare who was of the Impressive line. It was before that trait was fully understood.

I've trained death horses before. People make way more an issue of it than it really is.

The cat does love the camera 😂

Why? They are not ferral horses. They do not rely on their senses to survive. If you spent time around them you would see they interact just like any other horse. You should have some knowledge about how they behave, act, and thrive before you form an uneducated opinion.

@@timandersonhorsetrainingTim is it mainly line bred Gunners? Like HERDA in some cow bred lines? Do they have a genetic test yet for deafness gene? Just curious thanks.

I don't know if there is it not. I'm suspect they can probably test for it, they can test for most anything. The difference between death and other genetic defects like HERDA and HYPP is those are not easily visible like death and they eventually will lead to serious health conditions later. Horses that are death generally don't have any other connected health issues and are great horses otherwise. A death horse is really a non-issue.

@@tracyjohnson5023agree that if deafness was bred in by line breeding, it could be bred out. I am not a linebreeding proponent but it is loved in the US

People do it with all breeds of animals lincluding dogs & cats TOO. It's all about the greed of MONEY.

I watch your channel also. You are right, bribery does not work and fear is not a motivator. The flaw in your conclusion is treats do not equal bribery and a whip does not equal fear. Both are tools, for instance a whip is an extension of your arm. You should know that.

@@timandersonhorsetraining I treat often and also use a whip...usually a flag. I totally get what you are saying. I just prefer neither for trailer training. Done wrong, things can go bad. Those whips, training sticks and flags don't come with instructions and I try to lead by example and not use them. So much easier than trying to explain how to use them right. Someone might see you use feed or treats and think it's OK all the time. That can lead to disaster. There are both extremes. Some good horsemen think you should NEVER hand feed. My philosophy is it isn't what you do, but how you do it. I also work alone, so that changes things too.

People have come to expect to see a body score of 6 or 7 which is unhealthier and harder on the horse starting training than this horse that came in a 4. Fat with no muscle is worse for the horse than a slightly thin horse.

​@@timandersonhorsetrainingI HATE to see these high body scores, _especially_ on the energy-economical native or heavier types, and even more so when they're young. It's simply setting them up for a lifetime of metabolic issues and worse.

Nothing is any concern to us until it gets into the Gulf.